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3. H H SATSVARUPA
GOSWAMI INTERVIEW WITH H H TAMAL KRSNA GOSWAMI 11/77 VRINDAVAN
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Tamala Krsna: Hm. Prabhupada said, "And this is also suicide." Now you have to choose which suicide.
Prabhupada: The Ravana will kill and Rama will kill. Better to be killed by Rama. Eh? That Marica--if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better.
Tamala Krsna: You shouldn't try to fast until death.
Prabhupada: No. That is useless. Do you recommend that?
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
IN A TAPE RECORDED INTERVIEW DATED 11/77 TAMAL KRSNA GOSWAMI STATES
"A number of time he (Srila Prabhupada) would
say:
'Can you give me medicine, please give me medicine. That will allow me
to disappear now...'
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ALL REAL DISCIPLES AND FOLLOWERS OF
HIS DIVINE GRACE A. C. BHAKTIVEDANTA SWAMI PRABHUPADA
REJECT THESE STATEMENTS OF TAMAL KRSNA GOSWAMI (TKG)
TKG TRIES TO SAY THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA
IN HIS FINAL TWO MONTHS ON THIS PLANET
ASKED FOR POISON TO END HIS LIFE.
YOU WILL FIND THESE POINTS COVERED
SRILA PRABHUPADA’S STATEMENTS ON SUICIDE
A confused, frustrated man cannot get relief by committing suicide because suicide will simply lead him to take birth in the lower species of life or to remain a ghost, unable to attain a gross material body. Therefore the perfect course is to retire altogether from sinful activities and take up Krsna consciousness. In this way one can become completely perfect and go back home, back to Godhead.
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Two classes of men, however, will never be interested in hearing the message of Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam--those who are determined to commit suicide and those determined to kill cows and other animals for the satisfaction of their own tongues.
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Ramacandra. One day Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu said to Sanatana Gosvami, "Your decision to commit suicide is the result of the mode of ignorance. One cannot get love of God simply by committing suicide. You have already dedicated your life and body to My service; therefore your body does not belong to you, nor do you have any right to commit suicide. I have to execute many devotional services through your body. I want you to preach
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
TEXT 57
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deha-tyagadi yata, saba----tamo-dharma
tamo-rajo-dharme krsnera na paiye marma
SYNONYMS
deha-tyaga-adi--beginning with giving up the material body; yata--as many; saba--all; tamah-dharma--performed under the mode of ignorance; tamah-rajah-dharme--by remaining in the modes of ignorance and passion; krsnera--of Lord Krsna; na paiye--I cannot attain; marma--the truth.
TRANSLATION
"Acts such as suicide are influenced by the mode of ignorance, and in ignorance and passion one cannot understand who Krsna is.
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
"Measures like suicide are causes for sin. A devotee never achieves shelter at Krsna's lotus feet by such actions.
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
hearing this, Sanatana Gosvami was exceedingly astonished. He could understand,"My decision to commit suicide
has not been greatly appreciated by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu."
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
This is natural compassion. Even if a common man sees someone preparing to commit suicide, it is his duty to try to save him. He does so automatically. There is ... to him. Therefore when Lord Siva appeared from the fire to check the demon from suicide, it was not as a very great favor to him.
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
No, he cannot change it, but Krsna can change it. Devotee: If he commits suicide, is that also preset? Srila Prabhupada: Not preset. That you can do because you have a little independence. It is not natural to commit suicide; it is unnatural
HDG A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
WE STATE THAT SRILA PRABHUPADA DID NOT ACT LIKE A MUNDANE MAN AT THE END OF HIS PASTIMES ON EARTH
SOMEONE WANTED HIM TO LEAVE
Subject: Dear RAVINDRA SVARUPA DAS, BHAVANANDA DAS, and TAMAL KRSNA GOSWAMI,
Date: 21.10.99
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TKG:
"I would be locking myself into the same strategy as our opponents -- demonizing
people who disagree with me. Maybe that will convince devotees but it sure doesn't
work for outsiders and it doesn't resolve the conflict"
Please come forward and save ISKCON with the truth.
Hare Krsna
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
Please accept my humble obeisance's
Dear RAVINDRA SVARUPA DAS, BHAVANANDA DAS, and TAMAL KRSNA GOSWAMI,
We know for a fact that you have covered up the child
abuse in ISKCON for many many years.
The result we do not trust you!
We hear clearly the poison statements being made on the tapes. The FBI approved labs hear them, the general public hears them, only you and your "GBC" do not hear them. I would suggest a good set of headphones then listen to the files on VNN. They are very clear.
TKG sets the standard for his "truth" with his statement above "demonizing people who disagree with me. Maybe that will convince devotees". It is clear, what you think about Srila Prabhupada's devotees your Godbrothers and Sisters. This statement is from your email from webstrat.
I also make this public statement to you and all of ISKCON
"Let the omniscient, omnipotent Supreme Personality of Godhead judge me. If I committed such a heinous crime towards the most dear devotees of the Lord, to whom I owe everything, including my very existence, then let me suffer eternally in the darkest region of the hell."
If my ears and heart are wrong and TKG and Bavananda did not poison Srila Prabhupada I will accept the above suffering for my sins.
My ears hear TKG saying Srila Prabhupada asked for med's to help him leave. My ears hear the poison statements. I was in Phila. when Ravindra covered up the child abuse in Gita Nagari and Vrindavan.
Hear TKG saying Srila Prabhupada asked for medicines to help him leave
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Ravindra covered up the child abuse in Gita Nagari and Vrindavan
http://www.equalsouls.org/abuse
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VNN has obtained a copy of the controversial 'Poison CD' recorded in Spring
1998 on behalf of the IVC. Following are the final 4 audio tracks from the CD.
Here are the the final 4 audio tracks in 56k streaming RealAudio:
We hear clearly the poison statements being made on the tapes
http://www.vnn.org/world/WD9910/WD17-4955.html
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This will be my last statement on these issues until Balavanta das makes his report.
Your Servant
Isa das
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UNTIMELY
DEPARTURE?
by Nityananda das
USA, April 3, 1999 (VNN) — VNN has published
an audio clip of a taped conversation between Tamal Krishna Goswami and Satsvarupa
Goswami recorded in Vrindavan, India in 11/77. The following RealAudio clip gives
a better and more complete section of the conversation in question. RealAudio
files of Vrindavan conversation <Picture> (10 min - 28.8 streaming audio)
The original March 31, 1999 VNN article:
"Please give me medicine- I want
to die." This is according to Tamal Krishna Goswami, recorded in Vrindavan
in November 1977 just after Srila Prabhupada's departure. VNN has obtained this
recently discovered audio tape in which Tamal Krishna Goswami claims that Srila
Prabhupada requested "medicine to help him die".
On the tape Tamal Krishna Goswami makes
the following statement:
"A number of time he (Srila Prabhupada)
would say: 'Can you give me medicine, please give me medicine. That will allow
me to disappear now...'
And other times... 'I want most now
to disappear... I want to die... peacefully... let me die peacefully.'
Now on one hand we could take it and
give him that medicine or let him stop eating... fast until death, we could have
done that.
And yet it seemed... off course we could
not... do that out of our love for him and he seemed to respond so beautifully
to that... our loving requests... that he would not leave... that he... he stay
with us longer."
VNN has verified the authenticity of
the audio tape carefully. The discovery of this audio tape may shed new light
on the ongoing poison investigation. The statement "we could take it... give
him that medicine... we could have done that" made on the tape could be considered
proof that at least at one point the option to poison Srila Prabhupada with 'medicine'
was under consideration and possibly discussed by some of his leading disciples,
which they have until now completely denied.
AUTHOR'S COMMENT: Well, now there are more questions for Tamal. How can he have said these things once in 1977 and never again since then? It appears to be the planting of an idea, of a rationale for poisoning, should it be discovered that something was unusual with Srila Prabhupada's departure. If the poisoning was discovered, then Tamal could explain that it was Srila Prabhupada's dying request? This absurdity is unacceptable. Tamal is untrustworthy (seeAppendix 15). Satsvarupa, in the tape, confused, asks Tamal for clarification, "So, do you think Srila Prabhupada left untimely?" If this becomes Tamal's explanation for the arsenic in the hair, why choose a horrible death by arsenic for a mercy suicide/killing? Remember that 3 ppm average in a half-inch of hair reflects 30 days, not just a final day's mercy poisoning. Also, from ingestion to hair deposition takes up to 30 hours, and the hair would not contain that last day's poison anyway.
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